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Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.07 05:12:00 - [1] Originally by: Honz I would like to know if anything is going to be done regarding T2 bpo's. Currently I have zero options available to me to acquire a T2 bpo!! Yet at the same time there are multiple T2 bpo's out in the systems that under the current system make it difficult to market anything I might invent since those people that still have them can do research and provide a better product than I ever can. Honestly, when you took the lottery away, it sounded like all T2 bpo's were going to go away, apparently such is not the case. Is there going to be a way to get a T2 bpo in the future or are all T2 bpo's going to go away, and everyone is going to be on the same playing field. As it is now, certain players have an advantage, and there is no way to even the odds. Either give us the opportunity to use a bpo to get a chance at a T2 bpo, or get rid of all of them altogether, the current system benefits those that have been playing forever!!! I give this post 95% fail for the wall of text, and 5% fail for the content.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.07 06:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 07/06/2008 06:59:38 Originally by: Whey I agree, funny that Jinx said that, must be a T2 bpo owner and trying to save his butt. I am fairly certain that my T2 BPOs are safe and are going to be safe for a very long long time. Invention did this thing... by devaluing some BPOs and actually boosted the value of others, the combination factors altogether pretty much assure the continued existence of T2 BPOs. But, just because some people are filled to the brim with the green-eyed jealousy because they do not have the T2 BPOs does not bother me a bit. I have my ISK.... /me pats his wallet. Edit: Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Check contracts, because they do go on sale. Saw a Crow BPO up a while back - going price was about 14 billion. That was a Scam.... you should check the remaining runs, and it had 1.... Crow would go for no less than 20-25 Bill. But, they do go on sale yes, I just sold 3 BPOs myself... so yea, we, the greedy T2 BPO holders sometimes sell our BPOs as well.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.08 08:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Reachok Currently a T2 BPO is an isk making machine. How is living in 2006? Try doing a little math before sprouting sentences that were valid 2 years ago. Originally by: Reachok The owners have made their initial investment back many many times over. It's time to even the T2 industry out. T2 BPO ownership is no different than when nano fibers and inertial stabs were nerfed because they presented an unfair advantage in the game. Or when Privateers exploited the war dec system which was subsequently nerfed. T2 BPO owners have little to no competition in the market place because they can always sell their product for less than the guy who had to invent his T2 BPC. I can't see why removing this advantage is any different than the two examples above, or the many examples of balancing that we've seen since day one in Eve. Before saying that the T2 BPO aren't traded and that the current owners have already get back the investment, look the Sell order section of the forum, you will find several T2 BPO traded every day, for a cost equivalent to not less than 2 year of constant production. Venkul & other sensible folk, There is no arguing with people like that, really. All they are concerned about is the gnawing feeling they have at the pit of their stomach every time they see someone who has an ability to purchase the T2 BPO, or already has one. What they really want to do is bring everyone and everything to their level, since they do not have it, unable to get it, and would not get it, they feel they need to make it "fair." Just ignore them, it is not worth arguing with people who have no concept.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.09 15:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 09/06/2008 15:08:51 Originally by: Khatred As for leveling the playing field, yeah right, what are you going to do next, ask CCP to lobotomize the people smarter than you? LOL that's pretty accurate of what those people want! It is all those wow and cs babies coming in with little or no concept of what EVE is about and start spouting off the pearls of wisdom of how a game "should be" and "fairness" and "equal playing field." EVE has all of it, fairness and equal playing field, one just has to be smart enough to find the way - and take advantage of the ones who are unequal, and be unfair to the ones who are not smart.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.11 02:10:00 - [5] All the loudmouths who are screaming for the removal of the T2 BPOs from the game... how about going here to this thread T2 BPOS THE FUTURE: Dev Blog Needed and posting your support for a simple DEVBLOG that will nip this in the bud once and for all? Hu? I own T2 BPO and I want to hear what the developers actually have to say on the issue? Or are you all only good for screaming and yelling on the forums and are afraid to actually ASK for answers, I am not... so show some guts, and ask for them....
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.12 16:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Joe The real issue that needs to be raised with the devs by the CSM is the Continuing investment of 10's of bil for bpos, after the '07 Fanfest Q&A response of 'no T2 change planned' You are 100% correct Joe - and that is why I have created this thread: T2 BPO Future - Request for a comprehensive Dev Blog Linking it here for a second time, because I want all the whiners to actually show some backbone and ASK a question, rather than spout garbage. Of course, all those in favor of BPOs staying the way they are should also be legitimately interested in the answers as well.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:49:00 - [7] While I am still seeing all kinds of acrimonious shouting in this thread, with people saying other people deserve nothing, and etc... May I suggest shouters, again, go to this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=793692 AND ASK for answers. I am afraid shouting is not allowed in that thread.. just polite nudging to the devs for answers. The loudest mouths in this thread, by the way, are the ones who are not seen in the other... and it has been linked here 3 times so far. I still firmly believe that the provocateurs on both sides are really afraid to ask the developers of the game real questions, because they are really afraid of the answers.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:29:00 - [8] Originally by: teji 3) A bpo that I want never comes up to contract or it's put up at such a high price it is unfeasable to own it. Either way it doesn't matter. It's not available. Finally we hear some truth here... the above exemplifies ALL of your arguments - you do not have the ISK or the ability to buy a good BPO, and you want to take it away from all others that have them, one way or another. Basically we come down to a real reason why all the people who want T2 BPOs be taken out of game - their own inability to make enough ISK and their own jealousy at the others.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:58:00 - [9] Originally by: teji I never want to purchase a blueprint and I have no interest in building anything. I could not care less about owning one of these or reaping the rewards of having such an item. If you think this has anything to do with me you are wrong. This is about getting CCP to realize they **** up. If you want to rant and rave about how bitter I am please go ahead. Maybe we can reference some conspiracy theories too. Ok. Originally by:** teji A bpo that I want never comes up to contract or it's put up at such a high price it is unfeasable to own it. Either way it doesn't matter. It's not available. Good luck with your credibility and all that. I still say you are causing trouble and are jealous, and masking it with "fair game" and "balance" garbage. I have read what you were saying, and was just waiting for a slip up like above, again, your kind always comes out with it, you are just not careful enough, or clear-headed enough to try an avoid pitfalls of fallacy.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:39:00 - [10] Originally by: teji Oh yes my jealousy drives me . I'm just against free rides which the lottery and the t2 bpo situation was / is. I suppose that makes me jealous. Whatever, you won't listen to anything I say and I won't listen to what you say. Thank you for being honest, for once, and admitting the truth in whatever perverse form it may be.

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